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Old 07-27-2010, 02:39 PM
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Here's the site for National participation numbers. We are in 18th place, with 3.30 entrants per national race. There have been 55 nationals, with 182 ASedan entrants. Cars under 2.5/race are subject to being removed as a national class.
http://www.scca.com/documents/Club_E...ation-JULY.pdf

In the 114 regional races, we have had 92 entrants, for an average of 1.23 cars per event.

http://www.scca.com/documents/Club%2...unt%20JUNE.pdf
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:21 PM
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In the 114 regional races, we have had 92 entrants, for an average of 1.23 cars per event.
Got to remember that most regionals are "Doubles" and would effect that calculation.

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Old 07-27-2010, 05:15 PM
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In the 114 regional races, we have had 92 entrants, for an average of 1.23 cars per event.
92 entries in 114 races is actually 0.81 cars per event.

"Math class is tough."
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:28 PM
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Sorry. I didn't do the math, just picked from the wrong column.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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On the double issue, each race has its own sanction number and is scored as an individual event. If a driver runs in both races, he is counted as two entrants, so the numbers don't care when the event was run.
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:35 PM
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Northeast division has two more races with Beaver Run next weekend and Pocono in August so that should help the numbers. Pocono will be interesting since this will be the first year in many years of doubles that they will only run one national in august.
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:14 PM
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Here's the site for National participation numbers. We are in 18th place, with 3.30 entrants per national race. There have been 55 nationals, with 182 ASedan entrants. Cars under 2.5/race are subject to being removed as a national class.......

Is it subject to being removed as a national class, or a national class having its runoffs eligibility revoked?

I am pretty shocked that there has been such a flop from like 6 years ago. T1 is at the bottom nearly!

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Old 07-28-2010, 11:41 AM
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The top classes SM, SRF, FV and FF have stable rules and except for FF, reasonable costs to build and maintain. T1 is dying because they have allowed Ferrari factory race cars in that are not consitent with a Touring class but will not allow the Vipers and Corvettes to upgrade with equivalent racing parts. I beleive that AS is losing participants because the cars which are viewed from outside the class as ITGT cars have become too complex and expensive. I have just finished building a 4th gen Firebird using an old Phoenix T2 car. I have spent over $20,000 in parts and machine work. I have about 1000 hours of my labor and fabricating time, which would have cost at least $40,000 at a shop. The current rules allow every part of the car except for the unibody to be fabricated, modified or aftermarket. Very few people other than old stupid people like me that have a "soft spot" for AS would be willing to do this to come into the class. I was in AS (with Wheel) back when there were 50+ cars at the Runoffs, those days are gone. IMHO, if we want AS to survive and maybe grow a little we must freeze the rules now and keep them frozen for years; the only exception would be adding rev limiters if there was support for that.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:31 PM
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But you can get a whole season out of the brake pads now on your $100,000 AS car.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:43 PM
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Eric,
If you think SM has stable rules and the cars are inexpensive, you have been out of contact for quite some time. The entire SM community is up in arms over all kinds of problems with that class. They are in much more turmoil than ASedan. And, the top national cars cost just about what a decent ASedan costs. They also take more tweaking between races than we do. No top SM car ever goes to a National without a total chassis set up designed for the upcoming track.

Most of the T1 cars that have dropped out, did so not because of the Ferrari, but because the cars cost so much, right out of the box.

On the other hand, I agree that a great AS car costs a lot to build, but they are far more reliable, and cost less to campaign. The rules are set, once the transmission and cage issues are settled.
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