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Old 05-13-2009, 09:26 AM
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Default Frustration factor too great

Well, after not getting my motors due to technical difficulties , I am calling it qits for a bit. if anyone is looking to buy a REALLY nice NEW AS car, I am in the mood to unload the ENTIRE operation. Someone sent me a link to the guy selling my old GT-5 car. Who knows.

anyone for go carts?
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:38 AM
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Jeff,
What's the problem with your engines? It's just a small block Chevy. Even I can build a decent small block. And, it doesn't cost a fortune to have an engine builder put one together. My new one cost just a bit more than a front running Spec Miata motor.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:25 AM
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Jeff.....I feel your pain, I'm also in the process of putting my motor together and I work for Chrysler. Don't give up..... If I can do anything to help let me know. What issues are you having with the motor??

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Old 05-13-2009, 10:36 AM
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Jeff,I know that AS engines can be a large pain in the back side.
List your problems and I'm sure 1 of us could help with some insight.
Keep the faith !
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:20 PM
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I think its a combination of several things, but the straw that broke the camels back wa the loss of 2 camshafts in the last 2 days (Monday and Tuesday) before the National at my home track at Summit Point. The fact that these motors I was having built were supposed to be done last November are part of the overall frustration. The current 305 iron motors will never be competitive in AS National racing. PERIOD!

So, my new 313ci lost 5 lifters on the first motor and just as many on the second.

The motors where broken in on a dyno. Light spring, all the correct lubes and additives, etc.
The lifter bores where trued and to the new size. All the correct things where done to the lifter bore to get oil to the lifters. I will not say who the cam manufacturer is until I hear what the issue is and how they intend to fix it.

My current issue is no motor and no Summit Point and thus no Sprints. I am at a loss at what to do.

The machine shop wants to freshen the 305 and put the aluminum heads on. I am not real keen on this idea. Any thoughts?
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:28 PM
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Jeff,
Damn, that sucks. I lost a brand new cam the week of the runoffs, last year. Didn't know it until we took it apart for to add the aluminum heasd, just a lobe going bad on a Comp cam. Went back to Isky. Never had a problem, forever, with Isky. Ted had a cam go bad on the dyno. I think it was the same cam company.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:29 PM
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If you were using Comp cams, you're not the first to have this problem, although last I knew, this was a problem they had a couple of years ago with improperly heat-treated cam blanks and had supposedly identified and resolved. It was unrelated to the ongoing issues with zinc levels in oil that have been well-identified and addressed in the racing industry.
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:32 PM
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Jeff, I don't know an awful lot about AS, but I'll relay my situation.

Last year, I put a 305 together that makes the correct power for my weight (American Iron) and the front runners were still driving away from me. So, I started looking into chassis, made some improvements, and by the end of last year I was running up front and got my first win. We've made a few more improvements this year and hopefully we'll pick up a few more wins.

Basically, what I'm saying is that it's the whole package. I understand your frustration, I had 6 DNFs and 2 DNSs last year along with 4 T5s, 3 10-bolts, and a dist. gear took out a cam.

Once it clicks, it'll be good. Until then, keep the faith... and maybe find a new engine builder who can hit deadlines
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:52 PM
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I know this doesn't help your situation but when I was searching for a machine shop in IL one of the shops said he has seen more cams wipe themselves out in the past year than he has in the last 20.

I bought the cam for my new motor from Dennis Reed at Reed Cams 770-474-6664. He actually had a set up where he can run the cam in for you so what you buy is a "used cam and lifters". It may be worth a try. As for the 305 with aluminum heads...go for it. I think there are several out there. Make sure you use 350 head gaskets. The fire rings on the 305 gasket fall inside the chambers of the Edelbrock heads.

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Old 05-13-2009, 01:54 PM
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I feel your pain Jeff. Bought my car without motor and had my local guy build me one. Took all summer and when it got on the dyno every precaution was taken. Soft springs, high zinc oil yada yada yada. Ran gingerly to break the cam in. Checked the lash to make sure the cam was ok and was. Put the stiff springs in make a pull and flattened it. Yes it was a comp cam. So that dyno time is out the window plus more engine builder labor to pull it apart. Ordered an Isky from Wheelers builder and take it to my builder. Opens the box and in the shrink wrap the cam is in TWO pieces. Engine builder calls did you want a two piece camshaft?? Ok. Send cam back to Jims builder to send back to Isky. Wait another two weeks and finally get a ONE piece camshaft. Put engine back together and go for round 2 at the dyno. And that solved that but all along the way it seemed like obstacle after obstacle.
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