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Danny"TheKraken"Richardson 08-13-2021 08:55 PM

Tech bulletin august 2021
 
New tech bulletin right before the runoffs. Bigger tires for 50 lbs for the GTO.

American Sedan
AS
1. #31020 (Nathan McBride) Pontiac GTO balance of performance
In AS Spec Lines, Pontiac GTO (04-06) Restricted Prep., change weight as follows:
"275 tire:
LS1: 3250
LS2: 3300
295 tire:
LS1: 32503300
LS2: 33003350"

Ken Felice 08-14-2021 02:42 PM

tech Bullitin
 
I seems a little late to be making changes but while we are at it give the full prep cars 10" wheels that would help seeing how the tire manufacturer specs that wheel for our tire size not asking for larger tires just wheels. I hope that our board has got enough changes to make every body even. I always thought we tried our changes before we made more. But as I said earlier the rules have changed form what they used to be. This class is really getting led down a road that witch no one is going to win. Love A S it is a class that has always been fun a full innovation now we are jus changing to change. Does anyone know what the end result be.

Please think before we change anything else

Ken Felice

PamRichardson 08-15-2021 06:45 PM

????
 
Not sure I understand this change so close to the Runoffs. In my former life as Secretary of the CRB, I was always told that such competition adjustments had to be made NLT the June Sprints. This was so that the state of all Runoffs potential cars would be in place for the 3 or 4 months before the Runoffs.

Since this change will be effective 9/1/2021, it seems to violate that "policy" at least.

Can anyone on the ASAC, CRB or BOD, please explain to all of us why this is now different? A GTO is registered for the Runoffs.

Thanks, Pam

rx555 08-16-2021 04:39 AM

Usually special rules apply for big teams like Fall-Line.
Has anybody seen this car in person yet? Just wondering if they built it or it's something picked up to try to get a win.

PamRichardson 08-16-2021 03:15 PM

Gto
 
As far as I know, 1 GTO has ever been built for AS. If this is that car, it has had several owners since 2009. So yes, in the early 2010s we saw the GTO at Road America.

Pam

PamRichardson 08-16-2021 05:13 PM

BOD letter
 
I have sent a letter to the BOD about this, asking their review and whether or not the unwritten policy of no competition adjustments in the Tech Bulletin after the June Sprints and prior to the Runoffs is till in place.

If you feel that this needs their attention, I suggest you do the same.

Pam

jimwheeler 08-17-2021 04:01 PM

I ran against Chris Brannon's GTO for several seasons. It seems to me, since it had a 5.7 L engine (maybe wrong) that he ran several hundred pounds more than the FP cars. His car was FAST. I beat him most times because he burned the rear tires off of his car, although he had bigger wheels, etc. than we did. Can't remember the details, but a GTO with big wheels and tires and running at 3300 is going to be a killer with any good driver.

PbFoot 08-18-2021 10:59 AM

2010 RP GTO 6.0 L vs 2021 RP 6.0L RO's GTO
3530# with 275 tire no 295 tire permitted vs 3350# with 295 tire
Max wheel 18 x 8.5 vs Max wheel 17 x 9.5
No dry sump vs Dry sump permitted

PamRichardson 08-18-2021 11:58 AM

????
 
Where is this posted?

2010 RP GTO 6.0 L vs 2021 RP 6.0L RO's GTO
3530# with 275 tire no 295 tire permitted vs 3350# with 295 tire
Max wheel 18 x 8.5 vs Max wheel 17 x 9.5
No dry sump vs Dry sump permitted

jimwheeler 08-18-2021 12:20 PM

Chris' GTO ran at 3530 back in the day. My car is at the same HP as back then. We were running 3280 or 3250, can't remember. We are now at 3300, and the GTO has lost 230 #, as I read it. That should be a car to beat, if the driver is good.

PamRichardson 08-18-2021 12:54 PM

SCCA Operations Manual
 
I find that I need to correct myself. The policy to not allow competition adjustments after a certain date and prior to the Runoffs does exist, in the SCCA Operations Manual (Updated Jun 2021). Page 19 (Note the Operations Manual can be found on scca.com, after you have logged in, go to your profile page, and in the File Cabinet).

5.14 Competition Adjustments

- Competition adjustments are implemented to effect modifications to vehicles to increase or decrease the performance potential of specific makes/models of cars in order to better balance the class.

- Every effort should be made to limiting competition adjustments during the competition year to small changes as early as possible.

- First year cars have the following exception. The one year starts at the effective date of the classification. More adjustments to the newly classed car may be needed during this time for the good of the car or class. These adjustments include rim size, springs, shocks, and bars.

- Changes can be made at the end of the competition year effective January 1st of the following year, or any time up to the July FastTrack of the current year with an effective date of no later than July 1st.

- Changes limited to weight, tire size (not wheel), and/or the diameter of air intake restrictors of any type may be found on the appropriate vehicle specification line. Other than competition adjustments, spec line items are subject to the rules change process.

- Weight and induction changes may be considered a rule change if applied to a mature established class or one with restricted specifications (SM, FC are examples of this)

I have bolded the section that applies. Respond as you see fit. Pam

DHRMX5 08-19-2021 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PamRichardson (Post 36190)
I find that I need to correct myself. The policy to not allow competition adjustments after a certain date and prior to the Runoffs does exist, in the SCCA Operations Manual (Updated Jun 2021). Page 19 (Note the Operations Manual can be found on scca.com, after you have logged in, go to your profile page, and in the File Cabinet).

5.14 Competition Adjustments

- Competition adjustments are implemented to effect modifications to vehicles to increase or decrease the performance potential of specific makes/models of cars in order to better balance the class.

- Every effort should be made to limiting competition adjustments during the competition year to small changes as early as possible.

- First year cars have the following exception. The one year starts at the effective date of the classification. More adjustments to the newly classed car may be needed during this time for the good of the car or class. These adjustments include rim size, springs, shocks, and bars.

- Changes can be made at the end of the competition year effective January 1st of the following year, or any time up to the July FastTrack of the current year with an effective date of no later than July 1st.

- Changes limited to weight, tire size (not wheel), and/or the diameter of air intake restrictors of any type may be found on the appropriate vehicle specification line. Other than competition adjustments, spec line items are subject to the rules change process.

- Weight and induction changes may be considered a rule change if applied to a mature established class or one with restricted specifications (SM, FC are examples of this)

I have bolded the section that applies. Respond as you see fit. Pam

This is the defining line in the above rules: "Other than competition adjustments, spec line items are subject to the rules change process." It specifically removes comp adjustments from the time frame limitations...

PamRichardson 08-19-2021 05:07 PM

Decision
 
David --

SCCA and the BOD are looking into this. They are the leaders. Let's give them time to decide before quoting a decision.

Pam

rx555 08-22-2021 01:35 PM

I can't see Fall Line taking some old car that's been laying around like the one you guys refer to from '09. Maybe, but would imagine it's a new build or maybe even one of those old Grand Am cars that raced a few years back. I don't think those would be legal to our class but maybe.
https://classiccars.com/listings/vie...necticut-06492

He's gonna be busy qualifying that since he's also entered in T1.


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