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PamRichardson 03-29-2012 10:10 PM

Fr500c
 
Words from Ford were that the C car was not aligned with AS. Biggest issue with the C car was the seam welding, which is not allowed in AS.

Pam Richardson

CobraR05 03-29-2012 10:12 PM

well pam. there's always something. right?
my view is there should be MORE effort to attract and invite
participation and finding ways to make it work. instead it always
seems like there is a good reason to say no.

PamRichardson 03-30-2012 08:44 AM

ASAC efforts
 
Rob --

The ASAC is working on 3 things (this is not in priority order as all items are priority).

One is a stand alone set of Limited Prep rules (this is something that has been mentioned here). This so LP cars don't have to be tied to Touring, which is also changing GREATLY for 2013.

Another is bringing more cars into the class (this weekend should give the ASAC data on the FR500S). And this is not the only car the ASAC is considering and researching.

The third thing, and this is VERY important, is keeping all cars as equally competitive as possible. The goal is not to obsolete ANY current car or create a class killer out of ANY car. Also, to keep the rules as stable as possible in this environment. (Ever hear of an overly constrained boundary value problem?)

The ASAC is consulting with current drivers and reviewing performance analysis processes to determine if we can use them to classify new cars. Imagine if we didn't do our homework and brought in a class killer. That wouldn't sit well at all, would it?

It is a tough job and it is underway. The ASAC does recognize that the future of the class is new cars. The goal of fair (and as equal as possible) competition will continue to be up front as the class moves forward.

I hope this helps bring some understanding. Pam

CobraR05 03-30-2012 09:33 AM

the fr500s? that car in factory engine configuration makes barely 300whp. its not competive to AS cars. if the car has the wc gts engine upgrade, its making the same hp as the fr500c.

the class killer always seems to be the fear. instead new cars dont come in or cant compete when they do class them and they dont show up. if a car were classed and showed an immediate advantage, they could be slowed down right away with restrictors or weight.

i mean, doesnt AS have a class killer now? Andy?

i have had an SCCA national license for 3 years. I run the ARRC because its fun and then enough enduros or sarrcs to get my 4 races. I have never used the national license.

there are three nasa classes where i can competitively race my car with enough car count to qualify for the ford racing program. in scca ive got bupkus.

ive been asking for years now and the answer is no. ok....i could have raced the cobra r at 3800lbs on two piston front brakes....

i may run one of the scca national races at vir in april in sto to get a few laps at my closest track and to use my national license before i choose not to renew it in october. i am running 16 nasa races this year with many fr500c/s cars and boss 302r/s cars.

i'll be honest. given the price of diesel i'd prefer to run scca nationals next season and try to qualify for the runoffs. thats crazy in sto. if as is not an option, i am going to finally have to give up waiting and stop wasting my membership and licensing money with the scca. between the membership/licensing fees and the cost of getting my four races i throw away a couple to three thousand dollars each year hoping. its gotten too expensive.

i'll carry 50lbs extra to cover the seam welding.

listen to tim gunn. make it work.

edit: i dont mean to be disrespectful in anyway. i know some here think i just like yanking y'all's chain around here. ive been trying to race AS since 2007. the car i started with might have been raceable maybe, this year. ive moved to the next ford program. its a good reliable car and i enjoy driving it. i want to race AS and i just dont understand why it can't happen. that and my time is running out. i am 52 this year and my wife tells me that i am retiring from racing at 55. i dont have 5 more years to wait.

PamRichardson 03-30-2012 10:19 AM

Vir
 
Rob --

Hope to see you there. Perhaps we can chat.

Pam

koscieldrk 03-30-2012 04:30 PM

[quote=CobraR05;28597]
i'll carry 50lbs extra to cover the seam welding.

Rob, were in the same boat. We have a SN95 that was seam welded (Stitch Welded) and run in ITE. We would love to convert this car over to AS and run it. But Seam Welds (Stitch Welds prevent us from possibly campaigning another car. Add the weight and allow Seam Welds.

thomas toth 03-30-2012 06:11 PM

Does anyone really cars about seam welding anymore? You can have subframe connectors and weld the cage to the firewall, "A" pillars, "B" pillars and even the glass if you could find a way to make it stick....mounting points are unlimited, so how much does seam welding add????

Tom

jkopp 03-30-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas toth (Post 28604)
Does anyone really cars about seam welding anymore? You can have subframe connectors and weld the cage to the firewall, "A" pillars, "B" pillars and even the glass if you could find a way to make it stick....mounting points are unlimited, so how much does seam welding add????

Exactly what I was just wondering.

jimwheeler 03-30-2012 06:17 PM

I have hated that rule for decades. My first car had spot welds pop all through the car. When Ted was running it on the banked oval at St. Louis, the entire rear tower (the part that holds the pan hard bar and brace to the chassis) broke free of the car. The only thing holding the rear under the car was the tires rubbing on the inside of the fenders.

DSeefeldt 03-30-2012 08:56 PM

I agree with Tom and Jeff. I think we're a long ways past seam welding with our current rule set.

Darryl


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