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mw85gt 03-07-2011 07:26 AM

Vacuum in intake manifold
 
Had a new motor built over the winter. My motor builder tells me he installed an "agressive" cam. I've been anticipating that this cam wouldn't build much vacuum for my brake booster, so I hooked up a vacuum gage to the intake manifold and recorded the readings during idle and (no load) throttle transients in the garage.

As I expected, at idle, (approx 1200 RPM), the gage reads about -12psi (vacuum). Here's where the story gets interesting.........As I bump the throttle, the vacuum goes up to about -25 psi? I repeated this about 10 times with the same result.

I always thought that opening the throttle let in more atmospheric pressure and lowered intake manifold vacuum readings? Anyone care to enlighten me?

ASGTO 03-07-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mw85gt (Post 26192)
Had a new motor built over the winter. My motor builder tells me he installed an "agressive" cam. I've been anticipating that this cam wouldn't build much vacuum for my brake booster, so I hooked up a vacuum gage to the intake manifold and recorded the readings during idle and (no load) throttle transients in the garage.

As I expected, at idle, (approx 1200 RPM), the gage reads about -12psi (vacuum). Here's where the story gets interesting.........As I bump the throttle, the vacuum goes up to about -25 psi? I repeated this about 10 times with the same result.

I always thought that opening the throttle let in more atmospheric pressure and lowered intake manifold vacuum readings? Anyone care to enlighten me?

You are correct about it dropping under load and hard throttle. However, you are just blipping the throttle which in your case is creating a little more vacuum than you had a idle because of the large cam. If you had a gage on the car while driving it.......it would still drop under hard accelleration. Depending on your brake setup, you might consider a vac canister

jimwheeler 03-07-2011 12:06 PM

I have a brand new vac canister that I used once, before going to the Willwood set up. It worked great and did away with the hard pedal, at the end of the long straights at RA. I'll let it go cheap.
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kbsmith1 03-07-2011 12:31 PM

I think what you are seeing by blipping the throttle is the following:

Quick open of the throttle dumps gas and air into engine, this gives
a very slight decrease in vacuum (it's not like throttle was
wide open for long). Engine speeds up.
Now you shut throttle plate, but engine is still running say 2500 rpm,
so now you get a surge in vacuum due to engine running 2500 rpm
against closed throttle. As engine slows down due to closed throttle,
vacuum drops gradually down to where it was at idle.

jimwheeler 03-07-2011 01:59 PM

I had the perfect vacuum gauge on the first car I owned, a 1949 Plymouth, Special Deluxe. When you floored the throttle one thing happened, and it wasn't acceleration, the windshield wipers quit wiping. Needless to say, I was always driving around blind in the rain, since I never lifted.
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kbsmith1 03-07-2011 03:47 PM

I had a couple of cars like that. One a 1968 343 4spd javelin,
and one a 1970 304 3spd javelin. Nothing like trying to pass
on a 2 lane highway in the rain, step on it, and no wipers :eek:.

jimwheeler 03-07-2011 03:59 PM

At least, with those cars, you could actually go. The Plymouth did 0-60 in 20 seconds, which was also the quarter mile. Of course, it didn't do that well at highway speeds.
The headlights would also shut off for 30 seconds at a time. Worst one was on a winding road in the middle of Wyoming, my arm around a girl, a beer in the other hand, foot on the floor coming out of a valley in the rain. First the wiper went out, then the lights quit.
I'm glad I have been pretty lucky.
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mw85gt 03-14-2011 09:11 AM

Vacuum Canister seems to work
 
I installed a vacuum canister with a gauge over the weekend. Started the engine and ran it for a while at various throttle settings. After about 10 minutes I checked the canister gauge and found that it read 23 inches vacuum.

It looks like the engine is producing plenty of vacuum at some point in its operating cycle. The true test comes in about 5 weeks when we get on the track. Hopefully there's enough capacity in the canister to power the booster for a couple of cycles before it can get re-charged.

jimwheeler 03-14-2011 10:50 AM

I found that the canister solved the problem under all race conditions. There was enough residual vacuum to take care of braking at the end of the longest straights. It worked great at R.A.

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